sir until now we are very confuse about our research..
you already told us to choose the topic that we want to do in this research. but what is actually we want to do, whether we need to study about the content of the topic using this calculator or the perception among students about using this calculator in numerical method???

same with me ana..still confusing about our research till now..what exactly we have to do for our research?.. can i know in detail?.

Like what I said in the other post. I want you to do an action research. First, you choose a topic in numerical method or high school syllabus that you think by using scientific calculator can improve the teaching and learning.

Then you design two test in this topic which the level of difficulty is same. Then you find a group of respondent, teach them the topic without teaching then how to solve by using calculator (if they already know the topic then you can skip this step.), then give them a test to them (this is pretest), after the first test, you teach them how to solve the method using the calculator, after that give them the second test(this is the post test).

You have to record how much the time they spent for answer the test and record the marks they score. Then you analyze the data, check whether by using scientific calculator, the time spent to answer the question is reduce or not, and the score is improve or not.

As an alternative, you can have two group of respondent, one group you teach them the topic without teaching them the usage of scientific calculator, and the other group teach the topic with the usage of scientific calculator. Then you give both group same test, and record their time to solve the question and the marks they score. After that do the analysis.

The first method we call action research, and the data we obtain is dependent data. (do you know what is action research? can you explain why it is a dependent data? Please find out.) The second method is experimental research, and the data is independent data. (do you know what is experimental research? Can you explain why it is a independent data? Please find out.)

In my point of view, I prefer the first method, because after the research, my respondent will gain the knowledge of using the calculator. However, most of the researcher will prefer the second method, because they believe that the second method is more powerful. For first method, people may doubt that the respondent can score better because of the carry forward effect, they score because the learn the topic more than one time. But for the second method don't have this problem. However, in my point of view, for the second method, the respondent is different individual, they have different background and knowledge. The experiment group score better may be because the experiment group student is smarter, if this is the case, then it is still ok. But what if you face a situation that the control is smarter, and they score better than the experimental group. Then you may have a conclusion that the scientific calculator doesn't help on their score. So which method do you prefer? Or do you think there is any method to solve the problem face in both test? Try to think about it.

I hope that you can understand what I explain here. If you still have problem, please do not hesitate to ask.

Have a nice weekend.

owh...thanx for your explaination sir..hopefully i can get some idea how to do my research..

Yes. Now I can imagine the overall view of the research. Just want to drop a question here. As in the resume i've sent before, the title that have been chosen by me for the research was 'Application of fx-570es in Richardson's Extrapolation'. From what you've said before, am I have to include such words like 'The Effectiveness of' in the front of the title i've chosen before?

ahmadsaiful wrote:Yes. Now I can imagine the overall view of the research. Just want to drop a question here. As in the resume i've sent before, the title that have been chosen by me for the research was 'Application of fx-570es in Richardson's Extrapolation'. From what you've said before, am I have to include such words like 'The Effectiveness of' in the front of the title i've chosen before?

From my point of view, this research is already want us to study about the effectiveness of using calculator. What do you think sir?





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ahmadsaiful wrote:Yes. Now I can imagine the overall view of the research. Just want to drop a question here. As in the resume i've sent before, the title that have been chosen by me for the research was 'Application of fx-570es in Richardson's Extrapolation'. From what you've said before, am I have to include such words like 'The Effectiveness of' in the front of the title i've chosen before?

Good title, I feel nice for this title. You don't need to include the words "effectiveness" or something like that in the title.

Richardson's Extrapolation? did you learn this in the numerical method paper?

i've learnt that before..with Prof Madya Ghazali..

ahmadsaiful wrote:i've learnt that before..with Prof Madya Ghazali..

all your coursemate learn that?
hope that nobody choose the same topic.

we did learn about this topic, but not much.

Sir, actually is that we can use other method in the thesis?
Example, qualitative method?
Because I think maybe can help us to go further understanding about our respondent.

im so interested by that topic..and so for the stat topics..but ive to explore my treasure box back to search for the notes..huhu..

sir, after i go through the things that sir say, now can i state more detail for my title?
My last post title is Jacobi's interactive method, and now i think i want to state the title like below.
"Jacobi’s interactive method is not the slowest method."
because i want to prove that it also can fast like others when using calculator fx570es.
so, is that ok for my title or i need to make it more general, like "Application of scientific calculator fx570es in doing the Jacobi's interactive method?

wai i also choose jacobi's method 4 my research...i olready submit my title in my resume....